Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/08/2000 09:06 AM Senate FIN

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SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                        
LOG NOTES                                                                                                                       
02/08/00                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
GENERAL SUBJECT(S):                                                                                                             
Overview:                                                                                                                       
Review of Department Accomplishments FY99-FY00                                                                                  
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
And                                                                                                                             
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes and                                                                 
handouts will be on file with the Senate Finance Committee through the                                                          
21st Legislative Session, contact 465-4935.  After the 21st                                                                     
Legislative session they will be available through the Legislative                                                              
Library at 465-3808.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Time Meeting Convened:  9:06 AM                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Tape(s):  SFC-00 # 21 Side A and Side B                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT:                                                                                                                        
NOT PRESENT                                                                                                                     
Senator Parnell                                                                                                                 
Senator Adams                                                                                                                   
Senator Torgerson                                                                                                               
Senator Phillips                                                                                                                
Senator P. Kelly                                                                                                                
Senator Donley                                                                                                                  
Senator Green                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Leman                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT:                                                                                                                   
RICHARD CROSS, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY                                                                  
DEVELOPMENT;                                                                                                                    
DR. BRUCE JOHNSON, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF EDUCATION, DEPARTMENT OF                                                              
EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT;                                                                                                
GENERAL PHIL OATES, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND                                                                    
VETERANS AFFAIRS                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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SPEAKER                                                                                                                         
DISCUSSION                                                                                                                      
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Co-Chair Parnell                                                                                                                
Introduction                                                                                                                    
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Richard Cross,                                                                                                                  
COMMISSIONER,                                                                                                                   
Department of                                                                                                                   
Education and Early                                                                                                             
Development                                                                                                                     
Dr. Johnson will talk about the                                                                                                 
implementation of the Statewide Student                                                                                         
Assessment System.                                                                                                              
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Handout: Education and Early Development,                                                                                       
Missions and Measures in SB 169                                                                                                 
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A great deal of work has already been done                                                                                      
to refine the missions and measures this                                                                                        
session with the department and House and                                                                                       
Senate budget subcommittees.                                                                                                    
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With the passage of HB 40, certain programs                                                                                     
were transferred from the Department of                                                                                         
Community and Regional Affairs into the                                                                                         
Department of Education and Early                                                                                               
Development and programs formerly in the                                                                                        
Department of Education and Early                                                                                               
Development were transferred to the                                                                                             
Department of Labor and Workforce                                                                                               
Development.                                                                                                                    
These programs did not have a separate                                                                                          
mission statement.                                                                                                              
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Page 4: Report on Measures                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
We have been building assessments over the                                                                                      
past few years and FY00 is the first full                                                                                       
year of the program.                                                                                                            
The comprehensive statewide student                                                                                             
assessment system includes a developmental                                                                                      
profile for children entering kindergarten                                                                                      
or first grade, benchmark assessments in                                                                                        
grades three, six and eight, a norm                                                                                             
reference testing in grades four and seven,                                                                                     
and the high school graduation qualifying                                                                                       
exam.                                                                                                                           
SB 36 dictated what percentage of funding                                                                                       
must be spent on instruction versus                                                                                             
administration by school districts. Some                                                                                        
districts received waivers.                                                                                                     
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HB 45 required teacher competency testing.                                                                                      
All teachers in the state must take a test                                                                                      
to be licensed.                                                                                                                 
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It is important to recognize that these                                                                                         
initiatives that were passed into law were                                                                                      
done by Alaskans but are in line with                                                                                           
measures taken in the rest of the country.                                                                                      
There is a rapid change with education                                                                                          
accountability in our state and across the                                                                                      
country.                                                                                                                        
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Dr. Bruce Johnson,                                                                                                              
deputy commissioner                                                                                                             
of education,                                                                                                                   
Department of                                                                                                                   
Education and Early                                                                                                             
Development                                                                                                                     
Speaking to the assessment program that is                                                                                      
part of the *                                                                                                                   
The history of the standards began in the                                                                                       
late 1980s.                                                                                                                     
This fall we implemented the developmental                                                                                      
profile program for kindergarten students                                                                                       
and the results have been returned to the                                                                                       
districts for their use in diagnosing needs                                                                                     
of young people.                                                                                                                
The high school qualifying exam and                                                                                             
benchmarks assessments have been developed                                                                                      
by Alaskans with technical assistance from                                                                                      
our publisher. The exams are built on                                                                                           
standards and the test questions are a                                                                                          
direct outgrowth of their interpretation of                                                                                     
those standards.                                                                                                                
In an effort to facilitate the                                                                                                  
administration of the exam, the department                                                                                      
is offering training.                                                                                                           
The department continues to provide                                                                                             
informational materials to bring public                                                                                         
attention to the upcoming exams.                                                                                                
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Assessments will be initially administered                                                                                      
in March with results available in                                                                                              
September.                                                                                                                      
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We are partnering with a variety of                                                                                             
organizations to equip our teachers                                                                                             
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Mr. Cross                                                                                                                       
Most important point to make is that we are                                                                                     
engaged in a process that will never be                                                                                         
done.                                                                                                                           
The success or failure won't be how                                                                                             
students do on the test in March, but what                                                                                      
we learn from the tests. There will be some                                                                                     
rough spots we will need to work through.                                                                                       
Being flexible is not a compromise in our                                                                                       
standards; it just allows us to better meet                                                                                     
the goal.                                                                                                                       
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Negative feelings get people off the goal                                                                                       
of improving student performance.                                                                                               
When we talked with students at East High                                                                                       
School in Anchorage, we learned there is a                                                                                      
high level of anxiety. After working                                                                                            
through their questions an African American                                                                                     
student stood up and said he was for the                                                                                        
exam for two reasons. First, he is the                                                                                          
youngest in his family and saw his older                                                                                        
brothers and sisters with their high school                                                                                     
diplomas that weren't helping them achieve                                                                                      
their goals. He didn't want that for                                                                                            
himself and knew he would need a higher                                                                                         
level of skills. His second reason for                                                                                          
supporting the exams is that he could meet                                                                                      
the high standards and prove wrong those                                                                                        
who doubted his abilities.                                                                                                      
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Co-Chair Parnell                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Senator Green                                                                                                                   
This question is in regard to the                                                                                               
requirement that seventy-percent of funds                                                                                       
be utilized for instruction. Are you going                                                                                      
to bring up your standards for waivers                                                                                          
granted to some school districts?                                                                                               
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Mr. Cross                                                                                                                       
The law has a phase-in clause. The                                                                                              
department is continuing to examine how                                                                                         
school districts spend their money. The                                                                                         
McDowell study showed that comparing school                                                                                     
districts is difficult and more work needs                                                                                      
to be done to make better judgements on                                                                                         
educational expenditures. We have added two                                                                                     
positions to help perform audits. In the                                                                                        
future we think we can make better                                                                                              
judgements that are not arbitrary.                                                                                              
The law also requires us to make a report                                                                                       
to the legislature on the types of accepted                                                                                     
expenditures.                                                                                                                   
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Senator Green                                                                                                                   
When is that report due?                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Cross                                                                                                                       
January 2002,                                                                                                                   
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Senator Green                                                                                                                   
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Mr. Cross                                                                                                                       
The first year of the implementation we                                                                                         
gave districts broad latitude because the                                                                                       
districts hadn't had time to fully                                                                                              
implement the bill. This year we got into                                                                                       
technical issues on expenditures. There                                                                                         
were arguments between our auditors and                                                                                         
their auditors. We wrote some pretty                                                                                            
threatening letters. Perhaps a more                                                                                             
cooperative approach would have better                                                                                          
results.                                                                                                                        
We don't pretend that we're perfect, but we                                                                                     
are serious about what we are doing.                                                                                            
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Senator P. Kelly                                                                                                                
How is the enrollment in the                                                                                                    
Vocational/Technical Center in Seward?                                                                                          
[inaudible question] Have you addressed the                                                                                     
issue of special needs students who may                                                                                         
never receive a diploma?                                                                                                        
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Mr. Cross                                                                                                                       
The department has produced a list of                                                                                           
allowable accommodations for students with                                                                                      
special needs. It is a work in progress. We                                                                                     
will have a Braille version of the test                                                                                         
along with other accommodations. There is                                                                                       
an art to developing reasonable                                                                                                 
accommodations. There is a difference                                                                                           
between and accommodation and allowing a                                                                                        
student to be waived from meeting a                                                                                             
standard. The federal law is clear that                                                                                         
accommodations are appropriate, waiving is                                                                                      
not.                                                                                                                            
Legitimately concerned parents are saying                                                                                       
their child will never pass the test. It is                                                                                     
difficult to interact with parents who have                                                                                     
such strong beliefs. I think I'm hearing                                                                                        
too much of this. According to the parents,                                                                                     
there are too many who can't meet the                                                                                           
standards and I don't think that's true. We                                                                                     
have created the impression that it's OK to                                                                                     
lower the expectation for a large number of                                                                                     
kids. The easiest thing to do is create a                                                                                       
back door. I don't think we should do that                                                                                      
because there will be lots of kids sent                                                                                         
through it who could meet the high                                                                                              
standards even if it takes more work. It is                                                                                     
worth our effort.                                                                                                               
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Senator P. Kelly                                                                                                                
Seriously disabled kids won't be able to                                                                                        
pass the test. I don't think they                                                                                               
necessarily belong in classrooms because of                                                                                     
the extra accommodations needed, which                                                                                          
takes away from the rest of the class. What                                                                                     
do we do about them?                                                                                                            
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Mr. Cross                                                                                                                       
I believe it is a much smaller number than                                                                                      
we think. For those who cannot meet the                                                                                         
standards no matter what, we need to create                                                                                     
an alternative way to measure their actual                                                                                      
accomplishments than a certificate of                                                                                           
attendance. We are working to develop a                                                                                         
certificate of achievement in the House. We                                                                                     
are trying to find out if we can do this                                                                                        
under existing law.                                                                                                             
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Regarding competition placed on the Alyeska                                                                                     
Correspondence School, there has been some                                                                                      
decrease in enrollment in the state's                                                                                           
program and an increase in school                                                                                               
districts' correspondence courses. This is                                                                                      
not a bad thing because if gives parents                                                                                        
more choices. It is difficult to assess                                                                                         
correspondence programs. It is important                                                                                        
that the parent has confidence in the                                                                                           
program.                                                                                                                        
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The vocational program is a different                                                                                           
issue. The success or failure is how well                                                                                       
it meets the needs of Alaska's work                                                                                             
environment in training students to get                                                                                         
good jobs. Our program in Seward needs to                                                                                       
be on top of anticipating the employment                                                                                        
needs.                                                                                                                          
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Senator P. Kelly                                                                                                                
Is enrollment up or down?                                                                                                       
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Dr. Johnson                                                                                                                     
It is about the same.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Johnson                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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Co-Chair Torgerson                                                                                                              
Has the department entered into discussions                                                                                     
with the University of Alaska or                                                                                                
vocational-technology institutions on                                                                                           
dealing with those students who don't pass                                                                                      
the exam?                                                                                                                       
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Mr. Cross                                                                                                                       
Yes. We have formed a committee to look at                                                                                      
about short and long-term answers. The                                                                                          
university has made a commitment to teacher                                                                                     
education, which is promising.                                                                                                  
Many universities, including the University                                                                                     
of Alaska accept students who are deficient                                                                                     
in certain areas and then require those                                                                                         
students to take courses to bring their                                                                                         
standards up. The student must pay for                                                                                          
those courses but receives no credit toward                                                                                     
graduation. There has been discussion at                                                                                        
this university about implementing a                                                                                            
charge-back for those remedial courses.                                                                                         
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Co-Chair Torgerson                                                                                                              
I hope that when you set the curriculum you                                                                                     
structure it to teach material covered on                                                                                       
the exit exam to make sure students meet                                                                                        
the competency level.                                                                                                           
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Mr. Cross                                                                                                                       
Agree. That is why I stated that the                                                                                            
success or failure is not how the students                                                                                      
perform on the first test but what we learn                                                                                     
from it. I think one of the initial                                                                                             
problems will be with mathematics but that                                                                                      
it will be the easiest to fix. We are                                                                                           
asking students if they can write rather                                                                                        
than just whether they can identify good                                                                                        
writing.                                                                                                                        
We've spent over ten years coming to                                                                                            
agreement on what skills we think is                                                                                            
important for students to know in order to                                                                                      
reach their goals.                                                                                                              
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Co-Chair Torgerson                                                                                                              
I agree. The concerns I hear from parents                                                                                       
is that the material needed to pass the                                                                                         
exam is not being taught.                                                                                                       
The department is doing a good job getting                                                                                      
to this point where we are today.                                                                                               
I'm not convinced we will ever achieve the                                                                                      
70 percent goal of amount of funds spent on                                                                                     
instruction because of extenuating                                                                                              
circumstances. However, I'm concerned about                                                                                     
the districts that refuse to comply with                                                                                        
the accountability standards. I'm willing                                                                                       
to put certain accountability standards                                                                                         
into statute to force them to comply.                                                                                           
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Co-Chair Parnell                                                                                                                
I want to talk about a group of kids who                                                                                        
consume a great deal of resources - high-                                                                                       
risk youth.                                                                                                                     
Detail circumstances of a hypothetical                                                                                          
child with substance abuse and in trouble                                                                                       
with the law. Detail the multiple agencies                                                                                      
and up to 15 staff involved in working with                                                                                     
this one child. However, these same kids                                                                                        
repeat the cycle despite the amount of                                                                                          
resources and time invested in them.                                                                                            
Do we have a safety net or is this a spider                                                                                     
web? Do we help them or do we simply trap                                                                                       
them into the system?                                                                                                           
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Tape SF-00 #22 Side B  9:53 AM                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell                                                                                                                
Do we have a working system?                                                                                                    
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Mr. Cross                                                                                                                       
These issues have concerned people who                                                                                          
provide services to children for a number                                                                                       
of years. The system does seem fragmented.                                                                                      
I have a theory that so much program                                                                                            
dollars come from federal sources that                                                                                          
we've allowed ourselves to become                                                                                               
structured under federal lines and work in                                                                                      
isolation. As a result there are holes and                                                                                      
redundancy.                                                                                                                     
HB40's consolidation of departments was a                                                                                       
positive move in the delivery of services.                                                                                      
Commissioner Perdue and I have made a                                                                                           
commitment to identify redundancy and                                                                                           
determine what services we need to provide.                                                                                     
We are developing recommendations of a more                                                                                     
holistic system that looks at it from a                                                                                         
parent and child perspective rather than a                                                                                      
federal perspective.                                                                                                            
The cost benefit of dealing with health,                                                                                        
social and educational problems early in a                                                                                      
person's life is much cheaper than dealing                                                                                      
with the problems when the person is an                                                                                         
adult.                                                                                                                          
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Co-Chair Parnell                                                                                                                
Is it possible to look at the system                                                                                            
holistically when we are so dependent on                                                                                        
federal dollars? Will we need to establish                                                                                      
a system that foregoes federal funds to                                                                                         
achieve this goal?                                                                                                              
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Mr. Cross                                                                                                                       
For me the most difficult thing about                                                                                           
coming into the state system from local                                                                                         
systems was the departmentalizing of                                                                                            
functions. We get trapped into thinking we                                                                                      
are trapped when we really aren't.                                                                                              
If we can identify ways to better serve the                                                                                     
child, and we can probably find the                                                                                             
flexibility at the federal level to                                                                                             
implement that system.                                                                                                          
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Co-Chair Parnell                                                                                                                
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                                     
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General Phil oates,                                                                                                             
commissioner,                                                                                                                   
Department of                                                                                                                   
Military and                                                                                                                    
Veterans Affairs                                                                                                                
The mission is to provide strategically                                                                                         
positioned, relevant and ready military                                                                                         
forces capable of homeland defense, rapid                                                                                       
deployment, joint operations, and mission                                                                                       
accomplishment in the state or throughout                                                                                       
the world; and provide organizations                                                                                            
capable of performing emergency services,                                                                                       
training at-risk juveniles, coordinating                                                                                        
veterans' programs, and assisting other                                                                                         
state and federal agencies in suppressing                                                                                       
the use of illegal drugs.                                                                                                       
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Note these are not changes from what                                                                                            
appears in statues, they are modifications                                                                                      
to expand on the statute.                                                                                                       
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The department is about jobs, education,                                                                                        
citizenship, saving lives, drug                                                                                                 
suppression, responsible use of our funds,                                                                                      
expanding services within the budget                                                                                            
constraints, military missions in the state                                                                                     
and around the world.                                                                                                           
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A general fund input of $9.5 million                                                                                            
generates $27.4 million in direct federal                                                                                       
funding. This leverages a total economic                                                                                        
input of $160 million.                                                                                                          
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There are over 4,200 military members,                                                                                          
employees and volunteers located in 76                                                                                          
communities across the state. There is an                                                                                       
opportunity to add as many as 726 new                                                                                           
federally funded jobs over the next five                                                                                        
years.                                                                                                                          
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Emergency service is where our job                                                                                              
description begins. We had two significant                                                                                      
events this year plus numerous smaller                                                                                          
events. The first was preparation for                                                                                           
potential Y2K problems. This gave us a                                                                                          
chance to practice our efforts and as a                                                                                         
result of the exposure, the Federal                                                                                             
Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) said                                                                                         
Alaska is the best State Emergency                                                                                              
Coordination Center (SECC) in the country.                                                                                      
The second event is the current avalanches                                                                                      
in Southcentral Alaska.                                                                                                         
We are working to generate a 24-hour-a-day                                                                                      
SECC capability by merging the resources                                                                                        
across the state and through an energetic                                                                                       
training and exercise program.                                                                                                  
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The Youth Challenge Program has a 75                                                                                            
percent success rate. We will graduate                                                                                          
almost 200 cadets this year but we have a                                                                                       
significant backlog of 300 applicants. We                                                                                       
need to expand our services so we've looked                                                                                     
for other sources of income and are using                                                                                       
other federal funds, such as the school                                                                                         
lunch program. We are pursuing a "501C" so                                                                                      
we can go after private funding.                                                                                                
We hope to serve 300 students a year.                                                                                           
This program addresses those who've dropped                                                                                     
out of high school and are close to hitting                                                                                     
rock bottom. This program takes them from                                                                                       
their peer group and family situations.  It                                                                                     
is not a program to put kids into the                                                                                           
military although many do chose to enter                                                                                        
the military after their experience in this                                                                                     
program.                                                                                                                        
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The Veteran's Affairs Program is a model of                                                                                     
outsourcing and privatization. The state                                                                                        
put $540,000 into the program last year and                                                                                     
the program generated about $35 million in                                                                                      
benefits of this state.                                                                                                         
The funding is for positions in the three                                                                                       
veteran organizations: Veterans of Foreign                                                                                      
Wars, the American Legion and the Disabled                                                                                      
American Veterans.                                                                                                              
The goal is to expand our services                                                                                              
especially to veterans in outlying areas                                                                                        
using technology because we can't ask for                                                                                       
more money.                                                                                                                     
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The drug support program is a staffed with                                                                                      
full-time national guard members who work                                                                                       
in direct support of all federal state and                                                                                      
local to assist in drug suppression and                                                                                         
drug education.                                                                                                                 
This year this team took more drugs, $93                                                                                        
million worth, off the streets of Alaska                                                                                        
than any time in history. This is a fully                                                                                       
federal funded program. It works as the                                                                                         
spoke of a wheel to bring other agencies                                                                                        
together effectively.                                                                                                           
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The combination of administration of the                                                                                        
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                                     
with the Department of Natural Resources                                                                                        
has been successful.                                                                                                            
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The Rescue Coordination Center saved over                                                                                       
150 lives this year without loss of life to                                                                                     
any rescuers working with the active                                                                                            
military, coast guard and local police. Our                                                                                     
training is extensive.                                                                                                          
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There are more opportunities for the                                                                                            
department and the national guard then ever                                                                                     
in the past.                                                                                                                    
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Our number one mission begins with homeland                                                                                     
defense. That is why the militia exists. In                                                                                     
order to accomplish this mission, we have                                                                                       
to follow federal missions as well.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
We accomplished all our military missions                                                                                       
and did so with no loss of life.                                                                                                
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On the national level, the Alaska guard was                                                                                     
responsible for all the planning and                                                                                            
execution involved in moving fighters over                                                                                      
the North Pole to participate in the war in                                                                                     
Kosovo.  By doing these federal missions                                                                                        
well, we have opportunities to participate                                                                                      
in federally-funded programs                                                                                                    
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We will receive a Weapons of Mass                                                                                               
Destruction Civil Assistance Team. This is                                                                                      
a fully federal funded program with 22 full                                                                                     
time positions. This team will provide the                                                                                      
people and equipment to respond to any                                                                                          
weapons of mass destruction incident or                                                                                         
accident. This team will work with the                                                                                          
first responder, such as the fire                                                                                               
department or local police. We don't take                                                                                       
the lead but offer direct support.                                                                                              
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Another potential program Alaska will be a                                                                                      
part of is the National Missile Defense.                                                                                        
The president will make decision this                                                                                           
summer where to place those stations and if                                                                                     
we are chosen we will be ready by 2005 and                                                                                      
only a couple of years later if there are                                                                                       
any technological delays.                                                                                                       
Congress has stated that this is an                                                                                             
important operation for the country.                                                                                            
We need to start now to identify our needs                                                                                      
for this facility.                                                                                                              
The obvious impact of this is $800 million                                                                                      
to $1.2 billion in federal military                                                                                             
construction in the first three years once                                                                                      
the decision is made. There will be about                                                                                       
300 new fully federal funded jobs and tens                                                                                      
of millions of dollars per year in service                                                                                      
dollars into Alaska.                                                                                                            
I will be speaking more about this in a                                                                                         
meeting before House committees this                                                                                            
afternoon.                                                                                                                      
This will make us unique in all state                                                                                           
national guard units.                                                                                                           
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We are working to take over the Clear Air                                                                                       
Station for space surveillance and security                                                                                     
of the installation.                                                                                                            
We are also getting final approval to take                                                                                      
over the North American Air Defense                                                                                             
Operation, which will be the ultimate                                                                                           
command center for national missile                                                                                             
defense.                                                                                                                        
We will be viable well into the future                                                                                          
because of our participation into space.                                                                                        
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We are completely upgrading our search and                                                                                      
rescue helicopters.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The missions for the Air National Guard                                                                                         
will be the same but Alaskans rather than                                                                                       
rotating military personnel will staff the                                                                                      
programs.                                                                                                                       
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We are working to bring in the future, C17                                                                                      
Transports to Alaska. We won't lose our                                                                                         
C130 Tactical Transports, which is linked                                                                                       
to search and rescue. The C17 will be a                                                                                         
strategic resource.                                                                                                             
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I sent a letter to the National Guard                                                                                           
Association requesting the CV22 Tilt Rotor                                                                                      
Aircraft be fielded in Alaska. It can take                                                                                      
off like an airplane and land in a parking                                                                                      
lot. It is important for us to have                                                                                             
frontline equipment.                                                                                                            
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Two other aspects of the department are the                                                                                     
Alaska State Defense Force and the Naval                                                                                        
Militia. They both responded to the                                                                                             
Turnagan avalanche and also operated the                                                                                        
SECC. These members are volunteers. The                                                                                         
total budget of $27,000 breaks down to 25                                                                                       
cents and hour for training.                                                                                                    
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The Air National Guard won the Mackay                                                                                           
Trophy for rescuing six Alaskans from Mt.                                                                                       
Spur in a dangerous mission. That is the                                                                                        
highest award in the country.                                                                                                   
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Where do we go in the future? We understand                                                                                     
the realities of the budget. The national                                                                                       
missile defense program will benefit all of                                                                                     
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
Another program to increase tuition                                                                                             
assistance to guard members won't need                                                                                          
increased funding because of money saved                                                                                        
through retirements.                                                                                                            
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The biggest need is with deferred                                                                                               
maintenance, which has reached about $22                                                                                        
million. Need to repair our facilities or                                                                                       
we will have to close facilities.                                                                                               
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Co-Chair Parnell                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Senator Wilken                                                                                                                  
Could you give a breakdown of total                                                                                             
national guard participation today in                                                                                           
traditional, full-time and part-time                                                                                            
positions?                                                                                                                      
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Gen. Oates                                                                                                                      
The total force is about 4000 that is                                                                                           
equally split between the Army National                                                                                         
Guard and the Air National Guard. We have a                                                                                     
high percentage of Alaska Natives and a                                                                                         
higher percentage of women than the US                                                                                          
Department of Defense at large. The Air                                                                                         
National Guard has more full-time                                                                                               
positions.                                                                                                                      
The majority of members are traditional                                                                                         
guard members who work one weekend a month                                                                                      
and two weeks a year. However, our                                                                                              
increased mission requires us to work them                                                                                      
more. The full-time force is mostly                                                                                             
federally funded.                                                                                                               
There are about 200 state employees                                                                                             
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Senator Wilken                                                                                                                  
Is it safe to say that part-time guard                                                                                          
members are the majority?                                                                                                       
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Gen. oates                                                                                                                      
Correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken                                                                                                                  
Please explain Federal Scout Armories.                                                                                          
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Gen. oates                                                                                                                      
Fully federal funded program that has been                                                                                      
in existence for some time. It is designed                                                                                      
to rebuild rural facilities, which are                                                                                          
small buildings, without the need to go                                                                                         
through strict military construction                                                                                            
process. We identify three facilities each                                                                                      
year.                                                                                                                           
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Senator Wilken                                                                                                                  
Is there a way to connect those armories                                                                                        
with a local school so the school can use                                                                                       
them when the national guard isn't?                                                                                             
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Gen. oates                                                                                                                      
Some already are co-use facilities and used                                                                                     
by schools. The size of most of these                                                                                           
facilities is not anywhere large enough to                                                                                      
serve as a half-gym.                                                                                                            
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Co-Chair Torgerson                                                                                                              
Request briefing on the avalanches in                                                                                           
Southcentral. How far reaching will the                                                                                         
disaster declaration be? Besides snow, what                                                                                     
other elements are involved? Do you have                                                                                        
any finances to accompany the declaration?                                                                                      
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Gen. Oates                                                                                                                      
I will give a specific briefing this                                                                                            
afternoon.                                                                                                                      
As of yesterday the state spent $6.5                                                                                            
million. We did a preliminary assessment,                                                                                       
which allows us to go after federal                                                                                             
assistance.                                                                                                                     
The Department of Transportation and Public                                                                                     
Facilities and The Alaska Industrial                                                                                            
Development and Export Authority (AIDEA)                                                                                        
responded to the Cordova situation and we                                                                                       
assisted them. Then at the disaster policy                                                                                      
cabinet meeting we discussed the upcoming                                                                                       
weather and determined to stand at full                                                                                         
SECC. Therefore, we were ready before the                                                                                       
avalanches hit.                                                                                                                 
The initial declaration is written to                                                                                           
address the Southcentral area because we                                                                                        
knew it would be more widespread than just                                                                                      
Cordova. We were able to access more                                                                                            
federal funds.                                                                                                                  
The damage itself was caused by the thawing                                                                                     
and freezing of deep snow, which was then                                                                                       
hit by high winds resulting in slides. We                                                                                       
are now confronted with flooding problems                                                                                       
with the warming temperatures. Funding for                                                                                      
that is contained in the declaration.                                                                                           
You mentioned a concern with snow causing a                                                                                     
drainage blockage in Lowell Canyon. As of                                                                                       
yesterday, the water is still flowing                                                                                           
freely.                                                                                                                         
We need to wait until a community declares                                                                                      
as disaster before we can apply for federal                                                                                     
emergency funding. Today, we amended the                                                                                        
original declaration to include Seward, the                                                                                     
Kenai Peninsula Borough, the Matanuska-                                                                                         
Susitna Borough, the Municipality of                                                                                            
Anchorage, Whittier, Hope and Valdez.                                                                                           
As of yesterday we were still on emergency                                                                                      
power in Seward, Whittier and Hope. A                                                                                           
priority is restoring power lines.                                                                                              
There was a slide in Valdez yesterday that                                                                                      
caused damage to a dwelling.                                                                                                    
Access to Valdez is limited to emergency                                                                                        
vehicles.                                                                                                                       
The amendment to the emergency declaration                                                                                      
is not restricted to just damage already                                                                                        
identified. We will be assessing more areas                                                                                     
to qualify for federal assistance.                                                                                              
We have to have enough damage to meet a                                                                                         
certain threshold of $1 million.                                                                                                
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Gen. Oates                                                                                                                      
We are not asking for federal funds for                                                                                         
equipment to respond to this disaster                                                                                           
because we already have adequate equipment.                                                                                     
We are looking for long-term resources.                                                                                         
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Co-Chair Torgerson                                                                                                              
I will attend your briefing later in the                                                                                        
afternoon.                                                                                                                      
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Gen. Oates                                                                                                                      
Comments on the positive attitude in the                                                                                        
community of Seward                                                                                                             
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Co-Chair Parnell                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Gen. Oates                                                                                                                      
Appreciate the support the Senate has given                                                                                     
the department.                                                                                                                 
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Senator Leman                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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Gen. Oates                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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Co-Chair Parnell                                                                                                                
Conclusion                                                                                                                      
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Adjourn 10:43 AM                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                        
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